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* Location: [[Board Game Arena]], table [https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=212776246 212776246] | * Location: [[Board Game Arena]], table [https://boardgamearena.com/table?table=212776246 212776246] | ||
| − | == Coordinate Conversion == | + | == Coordinate Conversion and Directions == |
This game was played with BGA's old hex implementation, so its coordinates and board orientation are different from what's shown on this page. I apply a small rotation to show move coordinates and positions on this page: | This game was played with BGA's old hex implementation, so its coordinates and board orientation are different from what's shown on this page. I apply a small rotation to show move coordinates and positions on this page: | ||
(11;11) -> a11 (1;11) -> a1 (1;1) -> k1 (11;1) -> k11 | (11;11) -> a11 (1;11) -> a1 (1;1) -> k1 (11;1) -> k11 | ||
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| + | References to the "left" and "top" etc. are to ''this'' page's orientation, ''not'' BGA's orientation. (In particular, the left edge goes from a1 to a11 inclusive, and the top edge goes from a1 to k1 inclusive.) | ||
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FIFI25 plays 1. a11 | FIFI25 plays 1. a11 | ||
| − | murasawa does | + | murasawa does ''not'' swap, and plays 2. f6 |
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| − | 5. g7 h7 would normally be better ([[joseki]]), but g7 is good here, since if Blue connects to the | + | 5. g7 h7 would normally be better ([[joseki]]), but g7 is good here, since if Blue connects to the right with 6. h5 , then [[Peep|7. g5]] works well with f6, due to [[Edge_templates_everybody_should_know#Fifth_row_edge_templates_with_two_stones|the edge template that f5+g5 would form]]. |
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| − | 9. c4 good ([[joseki]]) Blue is fairly strong towards the | + | 9. c4 good ([[joseki]]) Blue is fairly strong towards the left, so Blue will probably connect to the left edge. That means Red will probably need to ladder along the top, and c4 will be quite helpful with such a ladder. |
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| − | 13. e5 This seemed fine to me until I saw Blue's response :-). Due to that response, Red should've tried j3 instead. (j3 would create a ladder along the | + | 13. e5 This seemed fine to me until I saw Blue's response :-). Due to that response, Red should've tried j3 instead. (j3 would create a ladder along the top towards the left and a ladder along the right towards the bottom.) |
| − | 14. e8 This wins for Blue, though Blue did | + | 14. e8 This wins for Blue, though Blue did ''not'' keep the win: Due to c3, Blue can keep c5 connected ''and'' serving as an escape for height-3 ladders (Red can't [[Foiling|foil]]), so Blue connects left via f4 or c9. For the right, h4 gives Blue either a height-2 ladder plus a [[Switchback#Switchback_threat|switchback threat]] or a height-3 ladder, and either of those is enough to [[Climbing|climb]] to e8. |
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| − | <hexboard size="11x11" contents="R a11 e6 g7 h5 c4 | + | <hexboard size="11x11" contents="R a11 e6 g7 h5 c4 11:d3 13:e5 15:j3 17:f4 19:b4 B f6 e4 f5 h4 c3 12:c5 14:e8 16:h3 18:j2 20:b3"/> |
| − | 16. h3 This is locally good - Blue is being [[Tidiness|tidy]] before laddering along the | + | 16. h3 This is locally good - Blue is being [[Tidiness|tidy]] before laddering along the right - and keeps Blue's win, but was not necessary: i4 wins more efficiently than h3. |
| − | 17. f4 h3 reconnected Blue to the | + | 17. f4 h3 reconnected Blue to the right, and f4 threatens Blue's connection left, so Blue should keep Blue's win by defending Blue's connection left, with c9. |
| − | 18. j2 Instead, Blue wastes a substantial fraction of a move, since Blue was already connected | + | 18. j2 Instead, Blue wastes a substantial fraction of a move, since Blue was already connected right. (via j2 or a ladder from i3 that can climb to e8) Now, not only am I no longer able to prove that Blue wins, but I in fact prefer Red. |
19. b4 | 19. b4 | ||
| − | b5 was better ([[Minimax|minimaxing]]): It gives Red a [[ladder escape fork]] at b2, so the only advantage b4 might have over b5 is avoiding a potential [[peep]] at e2. However, that is almost-always much less important than the extra strength b5 gives along the | + | b5 was better ([[Minimax|minimaxing]]): It gives Red a [[ladder escape fork]] at b2, so the only advantage b4 might have over b5 is avoiding a potential [[peep]] at e2. However, that is almost-always much less important than the extra strength b5 gives along the left. Furthermore, in this case, since Blue has e4 and e3,f2,g1,h1 are all empty, that peep provably achieves nothing: Red can just answer with e2 with d2, and f2+g1 will still be [[Captured cell|red-captured]]. |
| − | However, even b5 is almost-certainly not enough here: If Blue responds in the cell Blue plays for 22, then the situation becomes the same as just after Blue plays 22 in the game. I would've played b9 instead of either of b4,b5 , due to Blue's strength towards the | + | However, even b5 is almost-certainly not enough here: If Blue responds in the cell Blue plays for 22, then the situation becomes the same as just after Blue plays 22 in the game. I would've played b9 instead of either of b4,b5 , due to Blue's strength towards the right. |
| − | 20. b3 If Blue was playing this as a timesuji [https://senseis.xmp.net/?TimeSuji], then I think Blue should've played g2 instead, so Blue would have more of them left. Otherwise, this was bad because redD2 [[Captured cell|captures]] e1+d1, and thereby [[Dead cell|kills]] b3. Red | + | 20. b3 If Blue was playing this as a timesuji [https://senseis.xmp.net/?TimeSuji], then I think Blue should've played g2 instead, so Blue would have more of them left. Otherwise, this was bad because redD2 [[Captured cell|captures]] e1+d1, and thereby [[Dead cell|kills]] b3. Red ''might'' play b7 to try punishing b3, but I would probably instead neutralize b3 with a move near the top. |
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| − | 22. d8 Very Good: Before I saw Blue play this, the position looked good for Red. With this move, I am almost-certain that Blue wins. (Blue does | + | 22. d8 Very Good: Before I saw Blue play this, the position looked good for Red. With this move, I am almost-certain that Blue wins. (Blue does ''not'' keep this almost-certain win.) |
| − | 23. c8 Red's only chance c8 has a connection to the | + | 23. c8 Red's only chance c8 has a connection to the top, and c5 is an escape for ladders under c8, so the upward direction is settled. |
| − | 24. b9 blunder; now Red wins | + | 24. b9 blunder; now Red wins ''Red'' keeps this win for the short rest of the game. |
| − | Blue needed to defend along the | + | Blue needed to defend along the bottom, either immediately with b10 (simpler), or after threatening to cut through near the middle of the left edge (b7 is faster). |
| − | <hexboard size="11x11" contents="R a11 e6 g7 h5 c4 d3 e5 j3 f4 b4 | + | <hexboard size="11x11" contents="R a11 e6 g7 h5 c4 d3 e5 j3 f4 b4 21:g2 23:c8 25:c9 27:b7 B f6 e4 f5 h4 c3 c5 e8 h3 j2 b3 22:d8 24:b9 26:d7"/> |
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| − | 28. Blue resigns b7 connects to the | + | 28. Blue resigns b7 connects to the top via c6 or a6. |
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| − | Against "O", "*" is the same defense as if a height-4 ladder is pushed too close to an a3 swap piece: In that case, the attacker might be anticipating a [[Foldback|foldback underneath]], but if the defender yields just before the attacker's push makes a bridge to the swap piece, then instead the the original | + | Against "O", "*" is the same defense as if a height-4 ladder is pushed too close to an a3 swap piece: In that case, the attacker might be anticipating a [[Foldback|foldback underneath]], but if the defender yields just before the attacker's push makes a bridge to the swap piece, then instead the the original ''defender'' gets a height-2 ladder. |
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| − | If Red pushes with c3, then Blue gets a [[Foldback|foldback underneath]]. Red should instead [[Ladder_handling#Defending|yield]] with b3, so that instead | + | If Red pushes with c3, then Blue gets a [[Foldback|foldback underneath]]. Red should instead [[Ladder_handling#Defending|yield]] with b3, so that instead ''Red'' gets a ladder. |
<hexboard size="5x4" | <hexboard size="5x4" | ||
Revision as of 23:36, 13 November 2021
Game information
- Size: 11x11
- Red: FIFI25
- Blue: murasawa
- Result: 1-0 (Red won)
- Comments: Eric Demer
- Location: Board Game Arena, table 212776246
Coordinate Conversion and Directions
This game was played with BGA's old hex implementation, so its coordinates and board orientation are different from what's shown on this page. I apply a small rotation to show move coordinates and positions on this page:
(11;11) -> a11 (1;11) -> a1 (1;1) -> k1 (11;1) -> k11
References to the "left" and "top" etc. are to this page's orientation, not BGA's orientation. (In particular, the left edge goes from a1 to a11 inclusive, and the top edge goes from a1 to k1 inclusive.)
Moves and Comments
FIFI25 plays 1. a11
murasawa does not swap, and plays 2. f6
3. e6 good This works with the swap piece, since normally play towards an obtuse corner would favor whoever is on the short diagonal, but a11 means it would favor Red here.
4. e4
5. g7 h7 would normally be better (joseki), but g7 is good here, since if Blue connects to the right with 6. h5 , then 7. g5 works well with f6, due to the edge template that f5+g5 would form.
6. f5
7. h5 8. h4
9. c4 good (joseki) Blue is fairly strong towards the left, so Blue will probably connect to the left edge. That means Red will probably need to ladder along the top, and c4 will be quite helpful with such a ladder.
10. c3 joseki again
11. d3 12. c5 This ends the joseki.
13. e5 This seemed fine to me until I saw Blue's response :-). Due to that response, Red should've tried j3 instead. (j3 would create a ladder along the top towards the left and a ladder along the right towards the bottom.)
14. e8 This wins for Blue, though Blue did not keep the win: Due to c3, Blue can keep c5 connected and serving as an escape for height-3 ladders (Red can't foil), so Blue connects left via f4 or c9. For the right, h4 gives Blue either a height-2 ladder plus a switchback threat or a height-3 ladder, and either of those is enough to climb to e8.
15. j3
16. h3 This is locally good - Blue is being tidy before laddering along the right - and keeps Blue's win, but was not necessary: i4 wins more efficiently than h3.
17. f4 h3 reconnected Blue to the right, and f4 threatens Blue's connection left, so Blue should keep Blue's win by defending Blue's connection left, with c9.
18. j2 Instead, Blue wastes a substantial fraction of a move, since Blue was already connected right. (via j2 or a ladder from i3 that can climb to e8) Now, not only am I no longer able to prove that Blue wins, but I in fact prefer Red.
19. b4
b5 was better (minimaxing): It gives Red a ladder escape fork at b2, so the only advantage b4 might have over b5 is avoiding a potential peep at e2. However, that is almost-always much less important than the extra strength b5 gives along the left. Furthermore, in this case, since Blue has e4 and e3,f2,g1,h1 are all empty, that peep provably achieves nothing: Red can just answer with e2 with d2, and f2+g1 will still be red-captured.
However, even b5 is almost-certainly not enough here: If Blue responds in the cell Blue plays for 22, then the situation becomes the same as just after Blue plays 22 in the game. I would've played b9 instead of either of b4,b5 , due to Blue's strength towards the right.
20. b3 If Blue was playing this as a timesuji [1], then I think Blue should've played g2 instead, so Blue would have more of them left. Otherwise, this was bad because redD2 captures e1+d1, and thereby kills b3. Red might play b7 to try punishing b3, but I would probably instead neutralize b3 with a move near the top.
21. g2 simple and fine, since this makes 20. b3 completely useless to Blue
22. d8 Very Good: Before I saw Blue play this, the position looked good for Red. With this move, I am almost-certain that Blue wins. (Blue does not keep this almost-certain win.)
23. c8 Red's only chance c8 has a connection to the top, and c5 is an escape for ladders under c8, so the upward direction is settled.
24. b9 blunder; now Red wins Red keeps this win for the short rest of the game.
Blue needed to defend along the bottom, either immediately with b10 (simpler), or after threatening to cut through near the middle of the left edge (b7 is faster).
25. c9 forced
26. d7 Blue has a height-4 ladder. If Red just pushes, then Blue will connect to c5 which will then ladder to b9.
27. b7 Instead, Red yields, winning.
28. Blue resigns b7 connects to the top via c6 or a6.
Against "O", "*" is the same defense as if a height-4 ladder is pushed too close to an a3 swap piece: In that case, the attacker might be anticipating a foldback underneath, but if the defender yields just before the attacker's push makes a bridge to the swap piece, then instead the the original defender gets a height-2 ladder.
If Red pushes with c3, then Blue gets a foldback underneath. Red should instead yield with b3, so that instead Red gets a ladder.
To avoid this, Blue should pivot sooner.
